Comments on: VIDEO: Immense Plastics, Many Perspectives, One Solution http://blog.oceanconservancy.org/2013/09/03/video-immense-plastics-many-perspectives-one-solution/ News, opinions, photos and facts from Ocean Conservancy Fri, 27 Mar 2015 01:02:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: OtterPapa http://blog.oceanconservancy.org/2013/09/03/video-immense-plastics-many-perspectives-one-solution/#comment-1902 OtterPapa Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:19:08 +0000 http://blog.oceanconservancy.org/?p=6584#comment-1902 @AndyHughes1 hey Andy- I appreciate your response but I do find it pretty defeatist and passing the buck onto others to do the 'real work for change, ' inspiring policy makers' etc. Where I take issue is in the misunderstanding that this body might have about the policy world- that change and metric reductions in plastic reaching the ocean IS happening and not because of these kind of 'I care light' sort of films. I just don't like getting financial appeals from an organization saying that they're working to solve the problem when they're not even a player in the solution because they, themselves choose to stand on the sidelines from an action standpoint- none of this is to say that educational pieces like this video don't have any value, they do ( though its been done to death now- the 'i care its horrible no solution' video, but they're not a solution and shouldn't be propped up as such, let alone be the subject of a financial appeal. I can't help but think that I'd this group made a film about the garbage in say, Philadelphia, and used the Nat Geo brand to leverage the visuals with policymakers, you'd see the success you don't believe you can achieve. @AndyHughes1 hey Andy- I appreciate your response but I do find it pretty defeatist and passing the buck onto others to do the ‘real work for change, ‘ inspiring policy makers’ etc. Where I take issue is in the misunderstanding that this body might have about the policy world- that change and metric reductions in plastic reaching the ocean IS happening and not because of these kind of ‘I care light’ sort of films. I just don’t like getting financial appeals from an organization saying that they’re working to solve the problem when they’re not even a player in the solution because they, themselves choose to stand on the sidelines from an action standpoint- none of this is to say that educational pieces like this video don’t have any value, they do ( though its been done to death now- the ‘i care its horrible no solution’ video, but they’re not a solution and shouldn’t be propped up as such, let alone be the subject of a financial appeal. I can’t help but think that I’d this group made a film about the garbage in say, Philadelphia, and used the Nat Geo brand to leverage the visuals with policymakers, you’d see the success you don’t believe you can achieve.

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By: AndyHughes1 http://blog.oceanconservancy.org/2013/09/03/video-immense-plastics-many-perspectives-one-solution/#comment-1893 AndyHughes1 Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:10:03 +0000 http://blog.oceanconservancy.org/?p=6584#comment-1893 @OtterPapa  Hi, I read your comments with interest, I was one of the other participants..( andy hughes) One of the reasons for the expedition (correct me anyone if you like) is that in a world where we feel we need certainty, we feel we need security of tenure of the planet, i.e. humans often continually look to find validity and reasons for the way things are - putting artists and scientists together means that for once we can look and think about the topic (plastic pollution) on many levels. How does this issue make one feel, clearly science may have many answers for many topics. I for one love reading and hearing about new scientific discoveries, it enables me to understand the world I live in 'better'. But, its a big but - solutions to problems such as climate change, pollution and plastic waste etc. might just require people and populations to be emotionally moved, to change oneself rather than look to others to undertake on our behalf. As a socialist there are many things in the world I'd like to see change, clearly they won't happen in my lifetime. I'd like to think in some very minor way the images we will make from our expedition might move people in some way, will various policy makers be sufficiently moved to introduced changes in policy maybe ? will humans stop having a party with petroleum, probably not until it finally runs out, maybe then after a few millennia the surface of the world might have less plastic waste and human rubbish. @OtterPapa  Hi, I read your comments with interest, I was one of the other participants..( andy hughes) One of the reasons for the expedition (correct me anyone if you like) is that in a world where we feel we need certainty, we feel we need security of tenure of the planet, i.e. humans often continually look to find validity and reasons for the way things are – putting artists and scientists together means that for once we can look and think about the topic (plastic pollution) on many levels. How does this issue make one feel, clearly science may have many answers for many topics. I for one love reading and hearing about new scientific discoveries, it enables me to understand the world I live in ‘better’. But, its a big but – solutions to problems such as climate change, pollution and plastic waste etc. might just require people and populations to be emotionally moved, to change oneself rather than look to others to undertake on our behalf. As a socialist there are many things in the world I’d like to see change, clearly they won’t happen in my lifetime. I’d like to think in some very minor way the images we will make from our expedition might move people in some way, will various policy makers be sufficiently moved to introduced changes in policy maybe ? will humans stop having a party with petroleum, probably not until it finally runs out, maybe then after a few millennia the surface of the world might have less plastic waste and human rubbish.

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By: OtterPapa http://blog.oceanconservancy.org/2013/09/03/video-immense-plastics-many-perspectives-one-solution/#comment-1852 OtterPapa Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:03:45 +0000 http://blog.oceanconservancy.org/?p=6584#comment-1852 Hey Nick: I got the appeal today that references this project which I think is really cool, but I'm curious about this statement, "The ocean is no place for plastics. Watch how 14 experts from drastically different backgrounds plan to research and eliminate marine debris from our ocean. " Though I found the video compelling, I didn't see any aspect of 'plans to eliminate plastics from our ocean' but saw this is as a educational device, but not a policy device, indeed it didn't reference any solution that I'm aware of. Is it still all just beach cleanup? Or do you guys plan to develop a legislative or corporate social responsibility arm? Thanks Hey Nick:
I got the appeal today that references this project which I think is really cool, but I’m curious about this statement, “The ocean is no place for plastics. Watch how 14 experts from drastically different backgrounds plan to research and eliminate marine debris from our ocean. ” Though I found the video compelling, I didn’t see any aspect of ‘plans to eliminate plastics from our ocean’ but saw this is as a educational device, but not a policy device, indeed it didn’t reference any solution that I’m aware of. Is it still all just beach cleanup? Or do you guys plan to develop a legislative or corporate social responsibility arm? Thanks

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